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11:07:56 AM Energy Requirements for Proposed Mines
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Energy Requirements for Proposed Mines
Testimony from representatives of Donlin,
Chuitna, Pebble, Livengood, and Usibelli
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                              
                        October 27, 2010                                                                                        
                           11:07 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Charisse Millett, Co-Chair                                                                                       
Representative Kyle Johansen                                                                                                    
Representative Pete Petersen                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Nancy Dahlstrom                                                                                                  
Representative Jay Ramras                                                                                                       
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carl Johnson                                                                                                     
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ENERGY REQUIREMENTS FOR PROPOSED MINES                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
LORNA SHAW, Executive Director                                                                                                  
Council of Alaska Producers                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Reviewed presentation entitled "The Energy                                                               
Needs of Alaska's Metal Mining Industry.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JAMES FUEG, Technical Manager                                                                                                   
Donlin Creek LLC                                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a presentation on the Donlin Creek                                                              
project, its energy needs, and the steps taken to achieve those                                                                 
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SHIVELY, CEO                                                                                                               
The Pebble Partnership                                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided a  presentation entitled  "Pebble                                                             
Prospect."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KARL HANNEMAN, Project Manager                                                                                                  
Talon Gold Alaska, Inc.                                                                                                         
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided  a  presentation entitled  "Money                                                             
Knob Gold Project Livengood, Alaska Future Energy Needs."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DAN GRAHAM, PE, Project Manager                                                                                                 
Chuitna Coal Project                                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a  presentation on the Chuitna Coal                                                             
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
LORALI CARTER, External Affairs Manager                                                                                         
Wishbone Hill Mine                                                                                                              
Usibelli Coal Mine, Inc.                                                                                                        
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided  a presentation  of the  Wishbone                                                             
Hill Project.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
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11:07:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CHARISSE  MILLETT called the House  Special Committee on                                                             
Energy meeting to order at  11:07 a.m.  Representatives Peterson,                                                               
Johansen (via  teleconference), Edgmon, and Millett  were present                                                               
at the call  to order.  Also present  were Representatives Seaton                                                               
(via teleconference) and Johnson.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
^Energy Requirements for Proposed Mines                                                                                         
             Energy Requirements for Proposed Mines                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:07:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MILLETT announced that the  only order of business would                                                               
be to  discuss energy  needs for  large-scale mines  and proposed                                                               
mines in  the state, which  will require vast amounts  of energy.                                                               
The  committee is  seeking  possible public-private  partnerships                                                               
for energy needs of the state.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:08:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LORNA  SHAW, Executive  Director,  Council  of Alaska  Producers,                                                               
began  by informing  the  committee that  the  Council of  Alaska                                                               
Producers is the trade association  for the large-scale hard rock                                                               
mining operations  in Alaska.   The state has the  following five                                                               
large metal mines in operation today:   Red Dog, Fort Knox, Pogo,                                                               
Kensington, and Greens Creek.   There is one operating coal mine,                                                               
Usibelli, in the state as  well as two advanced exploration metal                                                               
projects, Donlin  Creek and the  Pebble Project.  There  are also                                                               
two advanced  exploration permitting coal projects,  Chuitna Coal                                                               
and Wishbone Hill.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:10:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SHAW then moved  on to the Red Dog Mine,  which is located on                                                               
the  Seward Peninsula.    The Red  Dog  Mine is  one  of the  top                                                               
producers of lead and  zinc in the world.  The  Red Dog Mine uses                                                               
43  megawatts of  power, all  of which  it generates  on site  as                                                               
there is no grid  with which it can connect.   To generate all of                                                               
its power,  the Red Dog  Mine uses  nearly 16 million  gallons of                                                               
fuel  annually.   The waste  heat from  that power  production is                                                               
used  to  heat   the  mine's  space.     Additionally,  the  mine                                                               
operations  and port  haulage use  about 1.5  million gallons  of                                                               
fuel for vehicles  as well as about 150,000 gallons  of jet fuel.                                                               
She then turned the committee's  attention to the Fort Knox Mine,                                                               
which is a  large-scale open pit gold  mine, conveniently located                                                               
about 25 miles  outside of Fairbanks.  The Fort  Knox Mine is the                                                               
largest customer  of Golden  Valley Electric  Association (GVEA),                                                               
which is the  local electric utility in Fairbanks.  The Fort Knox                                                               
Mine uses  about 33 megawatts  of power from GVEA,  which amounts                                                               
to a  cost of  $3-$3.5 million.   The amount  of power  Fort Knox                                                               
Mine uses amounts to about half  of the power GVEA produces while                                                               
in the  winter it's about  one-third of the power  GVEA produces.                                                               
She  noted that  for the  mining operations  Fort Knox  Mine uses                                                               
10.5  million  gallons of  fuel  annually  for the  vehicles  and                                                               
[facility] heat.  The 2010 budget  for fuel is about $30 million.                                                               
Ms. Shaw then  moved on to the Greens Creek  Mine, which produces                                                               
lead,  zinc, silver,  and gold.   Since  there was  originally no                                                               
grid  for Greens  Creek Mine  to hook  into, it  did all  on-site                                                               
power  generation until  2006.   In 2006,  Greens Creek  Mine was                                                               
able to  connect with the  Alaska Electric Light &  Power (AEL&P)                                                               
Intertie to provide hydro-power.   In September 2009, the Dorothy                                                               
Lake Project came online, which  she attributed to Greens Creek's                                                               
commitment to purchase  the power from the  Dorothy Lake project.                                                               
At this  point, Greens  Creek Mine receives  about 95  percent of                                                               
its  power from  the  grid and  it uses  about  7.5 megawatts  of                                                               
power.   With regard to  fuel used at  the Greens Creek  Mine, it                                                               
currently  uses  1.4  million  gallons whereas  when  it  had  to                                                               
produce all  of its power on  site, it used 6  million gallons of                                                               
fuel annually.  Ms. Shaw moved on  to the Pogo Mine, which is now                                                               
Alaska's top  gold producer.   The Pogo  Mine is  located between                                                               
Fairbanks and Delta Junction with  a 50-mile long private road to                                                               
the mine.  The Pogo Mine  installed a power line from the highway                                                               
to  the mine  site.   The Pogo  Mine uses  about 10  megawatts of                                                               
power from  GVEA.  Both  Pogo Mine and  Fort Knox Mine  pay about                                                               
$0.11 per kilowatt hour, which  isn't very much in Alaska whereas                                                               
nationally  it would  be considered  very high.   Therefore,  Ms.                                                               
Shaw encouraged  the committee  to have a  larger view  of mining                                                               
investment in  Alaska as it's  being compared to  other locations                                                               
in the world for energy generation.   The Pogo Mine uses almost 2                                                               
million gallons  of fuel  for its vehicles  and operations  and 1                                                               
million gallons  of propane  for heat  in the  winter.   Ms. Shaw                                                               
then directed  attention to the  Kensington Mine, which  uses six                                                               
1.2 megawatt gensets  to produce its power.   The mine operations                                                               
for Kensington Mine  use approximately 3 million  gallons of fuel                                                               
annually.   She  said  that the  intent  with the  aforementioned                                                               
information  is to  point  out how  energy  intensive the  mining                                                               
industry  is, particularly  in Alaska.   All  of the  large-scale                                                               
metal mines  in Alaska  have mills  and require  a great  deal of                                                               
electricity to process the ore.   Therefore, affordable power and                                                               
fuel  is critical  to the  development of  mines in  Alaska.   In                                                               
conclusion, Ms.  Shaw highlighted that although  mining is energy                                                               
intensive, it  provides [the raw  materials] for many  items used                                                               
in everyday  life.   She opined  that it would  be nice  to bring                                                               
some of these items to market from Alaska.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:15:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  FUEG,  Technical  Manager,  Donlin  Creek  LLC,  began  by                                                               
informing the committee that the  Donlin Creek Mine is located in                                                               
Southwest Alaska, 50 miles from the  regional hub of Aniak and 12                                                               
miles north  of the community  of Crooked Creek on  the Kuskokwim                                                               
River,  which is  a very  remote part  of Alaska.   In  fact, the                                                               
nearest roads  are about 300 miles  away on the Railbelt.   There                                                               
are  no   regional  power  infrastructure  or   power  generation                                                               
facilities capable  of serving any  kind of industrial  load, and                                                               
therefore  the project  anticipates building  that infrastructure                                                               
should  the project  move  forward.   He  then  related that  the                                                               
Donlin Creek  project is a  partnership between Barrick  Gold and                                                               
NovaGold, two mining companies.   Donlin Creek LLC operates under                                                               
a  lease agreement  with the  Calista Corporation,  which is  the                                                               
owner of  the subsurface  deposit.  The  project itself  would be                                                               
largely located  on Native corporation  lands.  Donlin  Creek LLC                                                               
has  a   separate  service  use  agreement   with  the  Kuskokwim                                                               
Corporation,  which  represents the  local  villages.   Mr.  Fueg                                                               
characterized Donlin  Creek Mine  as a  large gold  resource that                                                               
totals more  than 30 million  ounces and offers a  potential mine                                                               
life of more than 25 years.   The Donlin Creek Mine could produce                                                               
significant  regional infrastructure,  which would  be beneficial                                                               
to the  mine as well  as the larger  area.  Most  importantly for                                                               
that  part  of  the  state,  the Donlin  Creek  Mine  offers  the                                                               
potential  for a  significant amount  of  private industry  jobs,                                                               
including  up  to  3,000  jobs during  the  three-  to  four-year                                                               
construction phase and  800 or more jobs during  the 25-year plus                                                               
life of  the mine.   He  explained that Donlin  Creek will  use a                                                               
multi-stage process to extract the  gold from the rock, including                                                               
crushing and grinding  the ore.  The grinding  circuit alone will                                                               
require  three motors,  each of  more than  25,000 horsepower  to                                                               
power the  various mills.   He stated  that there  are challenges                                                               
associated with supplying enough energy  as well as managing that                                                               
energy  and load.   The  total electrical  load for  Donlin Creek                                                               
would be around  130 megawatts, which is similar to  the load the                                                               
Fairbanks area  currently utilizes during  the winter.   The peak                                                               
electrical  load is  about 152  megawatts.   Additionally, Donlin                                                               
Creek will  require a large  volume of  diesel fuel to  power the                                                               
fleet,  which  will be  barged  up  the  Kuskokwim River  to  the                                                               
project site.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:20:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FUEG  told the committee  that over the years  various energy                                                               
options have  been reviewed for  Donlin Creek,  including diesel-                                                               
based  generation   supplemented  by  wind.     He  reminded  the                                                               
committee  that diesel  becomes  very  expensive when  generating                                                               
large  volumes.   Furthermore, to  move that  much diesel  up the                                                               
Kuskokwim  River  would  require significant  additional  barging                                                               
capacity  on  the  Kuskokwim  River.   Another  option  that  was                                                               
reviewed was  an electrical  intertie to Nenana.   The  length of                                                               
the line,  about 400 miles,  needed and the  size of the  load at                                                               
the end  and the  size of  some of the  motors would  require the                                                               
construction of  a DC  line, which is  expensive and  has limited                                                               
benefits to potential third party  users.  Other options reviewed                                                               
in the Donlin Creek area include  using peat to power a boiler to                                                               
generate   electricity,  hydro   electric,  nuclear,   coal,  and                                                               
biomass.  The  current focus is on running a  gas pipeline to the                                                               
site in order to meet the  mine's energy needs.  The gas pipeline                                                               
option  would result  in  a  route from  Cook  Inlet through  the                                                               
Alaska Range  to the  project site, which  would total  325 miles                                                               
with no infrastructure.  The  gas pipeline project alone would be                                                               
a significant  undertaking with its  own challenges  beyond those                                                               
of  the mine.   The  current concept  would be  a buried  12-inch                                                               
steel pipeline  for gas only.   He explained that the  goal would                                                               
be  to  construct  the aforementioned  pipeline  using  temporary                                                               
access.    He  then  directed attention  to  the  slide  entitled                                                               
"Pipeline  Route,"  which  illustrates  the  route.    The  first                                                               
portion  of the  route would  be exclusively  on state  lands and                                                               
then  it would  move  into Alaska  Native  Claims Settlement  Act                                                               
(ANCSA)  land  and  then  into  a patchwork  of  Bureau  of  Land                                                               
Management (BLM)  and state  lands as the  route comes  closer to                                                               
Donlin Creek.  Therefore, to  complete the project, rights-of-way                                                               
from all three of the aforementioned groups would be required.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FUEG related  that at  this point,  he anticipates  that the                                                               
project will require  approximately 25 million cubic  feet of gas                                                               
per  day in  order to  generate  electricity.   The demand  could                                                               
increase  if additional  ways  to  offset the  use  of diesel  by                                                               
electricity are found.  One  way to achieve the aforementioned is                                                               
to  use electric  shovels rather  than diesel  shovels, which  is                                                               
being evaluated.  The use of  electric shovels would result in an                                                               
about  10  percent   reduction  in  the  diesel   needed  and  an                                                               
equivalent  increase in  gas for  the  project. "To  put that  in                                                               
perspective, that  would represent about  10 percent of  the Cook                                                               
Inlet demand without the large  industrial users, such as the now                                                               
closed Agrium  plant or the  LNG export  facility," he said.   He                                                               
specified that it  amounts to a constant year-round  load with no                                                               
seasonal variation.   Therefore, it would offer  some benefits to                                                               
Cook  Inlet  because  it  would  help  smooth  out  the  seasonal                                                               
fluctuations  in demand,  which  would potentially  make it  more                                                               
attractive to  those evaluating options for  providing additional                                                               
gas  resources  in  Cook  Inlet.    Currently,  Donlin  Creek  is                                                               
exploring  multiple options  for  sourcing gas  and using  fairly                                                               
conservative pricing in the assessment  of the pipeline option as                                                               
well as  the feasibility assessment.   The belief, he  opined, is                                                               
that the aforementioned would cover  any potential sources of gas                                                               
including LNG pipeline gas.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. FUEG turned  to the project schedule and  related that Donlin                                                               
Creek  is currently  evaluating  the feasibility  of the  overall                                                               
project.  In fact, Donlin  Creek recently completed a major field                                                               
program  this  summer  to  collect   all  the  feasibility  level                                                               
engineering  and  baseline  environmental   data  that  would  be                                                               
necessary to permit  the pipeline.  He  anticipated completion of                                                               
an updated feasibility study by the  middle of next year.  If the                                                               
project  is   shown  to  be   economically  viable  as   well  as                                                               
technically  and environmentally  feasible and  approved by  both                                                               
partners, the  project would be  taken to permitting in  the fall                                                               
of 2011.   The mine  and the  pipeline, he highlighted,  would be                                                               
permitted as a  single project.  At this point,  he anticipated a                                                               
multi-year  process for  completion of  the environmental  impact                                                               
statement  (EIS).    Shortly  after   the  permits  are  granted,                                                               
construction would begin.  Construction  would take three to four                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:24:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR EDGMON inquired as to  how using conventional sources of                                                               
energy,  such as  diesel,  would impact  the  feasibility of  the                                                               
mine.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. FUEG stated  that using a reasonable assumption  of the price                                                               
of  gas,  gas  is  cheaper  than diesel.    With  regard  to  the                                                               
viability of  the project  if diesel is  barged up  the Kuskokwim                                                               
River, Mr. Fueg  said it would depend upon  the price assumptions                                                               
one makes for diesel.   For a project with a  life of possibly 35                                                               
years, a small change in price  of energy can have a large impact                                                               
on the  economics of  the project.   "It  makes the  project more                                                               
challenging,"  he  opined.    In  further  response  to  Co-Chair                                                               
Edgmon,  Mr. Fueg  explained that  he has  approached gas  versus                                                               
diesel  by reviewing  the differential  between  diesel and  gas.                                                               
The belief is  that the differential between diesel  and gas will                                                               
only increase as  time goes on, and therefore gas  would make the                                                               
project more  attractive.  Furthermore,  he opined that  gas will                                                               
bring  significant  environmental   and  regional  benefits  over                                                               
diesel.   One of  the concerns identified  by communities  is the                                                               
barging  of large  amounts of  diesel and  the pipeline  study is                                                               
largely a reaction to that concern  in order to find a better and                                                               
more cost  effective solution.   Therefore,  it's not  a decision                                                               
that's driven purely by the price of energy.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:28:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MILLETT recalled  that Harry  Noah, the  former project                                                               
manager of  the In-State Gas Project  in DNR, was a  proponent of                                                               
linking  the in-state  gasline to  Donlin.   She asked  if that's                                                               
still part of the conversation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. FUEG  answered that Donlin  Creek LLC has  shared information                                                               
with the  folks working on  the in-state  line.  He  related that                                                               
Donlin Creek  LLC would  be willing to  purchase gas  from anyone                                                               
who  has it  available  and the  price is  right.   However,  the                                                               
Donlin Creek  Mine has its own  timeline and cannot afford  to be                                                               
dependent upon the  schedule of another project,  and thus Donlin                                                               
Creek LLC will  move forward with its plans.   Still, [linking to                                                               
the  in-state gasline]  would be  beneficial to  the project  and                                                               
help ensure that it moves forward.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:29:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SHIVELY, CEO,  The Pebble  Partnership, began  by informing                                                               
the  committee  that  The Pebble  Partnership  is  a  partnership                                                               
between  Anglo American  and Northern  Dynasty.   The project  is                                                               
located about  200 miles southwest  of Anchorage in the  Lake and                                                               
Peninsula Borough.   The communities  closest to the  project are                                                               
Nondalton,  Newhalen,  and Pedro  Bay.    He explained  that  the                                                               
project is located  about 85-86 miles from the west  side of Cook                                                               
Inlet, where a  port will likely be constructed.   Along the road                                                               
to that port,  there would most likely be a  diesel line for fuel                                                               
for  vehicles.   In terms  of  power, The  Pebble Partnership  is                                                               
looking at  several different options.   Although the  project is                                                               
performing some  testing for  wind, it isn't  enough to  meet the                                                               
needs of  the project.  At  this point in the  project, the needs                                                               
of  the project,  although significant,  aren't determined.   Mr.                                                               
Shively related  the preference  for natural  gas on  site, which                                                               
means there would need to be  a pipeline along the road corridor;                                                               
the reason  for which he  attributed to obtaining a  benefit from                                                               
waste  heat.    The  project  needs  power  that's  significantly                                                               
cheaper than  diesel.  He related  that there has been  review of                                                               
the  mine receiving  inexpensive power  and that  the communities                                                               
closest to  the mine would  benefit.  The Pebble  Partnership has                                                               
had preliminary talks with the  state regarding whether or not it                                                               
would  make   sense  to  run   the  natural  gas   or  electrical                                                               
transmission  line to  the  western  part of  the  region to  the                                                               
larger  communities.     The  state   has  an  interest   in  the                                                               
aforementioned because  it could  achieve cheaper power  to those                                                               
areas, which  would benefit the power  cost equalization program.                                                               
Mr. Shively acknowledged  that the challenge with  natural gas is                                                               
from  where to  get it.   If  the large  natural gas  pipeline is                                                               
built, the Pebble  project could play a role in  the economics of                                                               
either the bullet line or a  spur line.  Furthermore, [the Pebble                                                               
project] could  impact the economics  of deeper drilling  in Cook                                                               
Inlet.  Mr. Shively related  that although The Pebble Partnership                                                               
prefers natural gas, it's willing  to consider electrons that are                                                               
available at a  reasonable price.  Therefore,  the Pebble project                                                               
could play  a role  in projects such  as Chakachmna  and Susitna.                                                               
He noted that  the CIRI oil gasification project and  the oil map                                                               
geothermal are of interest to the  Pebble project.  Absent any of                                                               
the aforementioned  options, the project would  likely import LNG                                                               
either  to  the port  discussed  earlier  or the  Nikiski  export                                                               
facility.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:35:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MILLETT announced  that  the committee  would now  hear                                                               
about the Money Knob Gold Project in Livengood.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
KARL  HANNEMAN,   Project  Manager,  Talon  Gold   Alaska,  Inc.,                                                               
informed  the  committee  that  Talon  Gold  Alaska,  Inc.  is  a                                                               
subsidiary of International Tower Hill.   He pointed out that the                                                               
Livengood  Project is  in  the  very early  stages  and thus  the                                                               
information regarding the project's  power needs are projections.                                                               
The project is  located along the Elliot Highway,  70 miles north                                                               
of  Fairbanks.   A significant  gold resource,  about 12  million                                                               
ounces has been identified.   The preliminary economic assessment                                                               
shows compelling economics.   Livengood will be an  open pit mine                                                               
and the  topography and deposit  are supportive of a  large scale                                                               
low-cost   operation.       Furthermore,   there   is   favorable                                                               
infrastructure in  that it's  a historic  mining district  with a                                                               
network  of local  trails that  are directly  accessible off  the                                                               
paved  Elliot Highway.    Moreover, the  project  is adjacent  to                                                               
potential gas  pipeline corridors.   He related that  the project                                                               
is building  an experienced development team  in Fairbanks, which                                                               
is moving the project rapidly through the pre-feasibility stage.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:37:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN  showed the committee  a slide that  illustrates the                                                               
topography at  the deposit area,  which has been identified  by a                                                               
large  number of  drill  holes  over the  last  number of  years.                                                               
Referring to  slide 5 entitled  "Livengood Hardrock  History," he                                                               
then  informed the  committee  that back  in  1914 in  Livengood,                                                               
placer  gold was  found, after  which there  was quite  a lot  of                                                               
small scale prospecting in the  area.  The prospecting identified                                                               
small  veins and  dykes  that contained  gold,  although none  of                                                               
which  were  economic  at  the time  and  thus  weren't  pursued.                                                               
Still, there was enough gold in  the area that the hill was named                                                               
Money Knob.  Furthermore, over  the years several major companies                                                               
drilled and tried  to identify the resource,  which culminated in                                                               
2006 when International Tower Hill  rapidly advanced the drilling                                                               
rate  and ultimately  identified this  substantive resource.   He                                                               
pointed  out  that since  the  mid  1980s when  state  geologists                                                               
helped select  the area  for the Alaska  Mental Health  Trust, it                                                               
has taken  a couple decades  to identify a  substantive resource.                                                               
The aforementioned  is illustrative  of the  long lead  times and                                                               
steady exploration  efforts required to actually  recognize value                                                               
from areas identified as having  mineral potential.  In fact, the                                                               
state flew the area a decade ago to perform an airborne survey.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:39:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN directed attention to  the chart on slide 6 entitled                                                               
"Livengood Resource  Growth."  The  chart on slide  6 illustrates                                                               
the growth of drilling at Livengood.   From February 2007 to June                                                               
2010,  the resource  has grown  from almost  2 million  ounces to                                                               
over 12 million ounces.  Although  it's the early stage of trying                                                               
to identify  and understand  the potential  of this  deposit, the                                                               
pre-feasibility  stage is  expected  to be  complete by  December                                                               
2011.   Since the project  hasn't yet been designed,  the numbers                                                               
presented   today    are   very   preliminary,    he   specified.                                                               
Conceptually, if the project is a  heap leach it would have a 10-                                                               
15 megawatt energy requirement while  a project with a large mill                                                               
and a heap leach would  have a 70-80 megawatt energy requirement.                                                               
In response to  a question, Mr. Hanneman  clarified that megawatt                                                               
is a  rate of power  consumption.  On  an annual basis,  it would                                                               
amount to about 500 megawatt hours.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:41:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HANNEMAN,   referring  to  slide  9   entitled  "Money  Knob                                                               
Potential Power Needs," related  that although Talon Gold Alaska,                                                               
Inc.  will evaluate  the purchase  power with  GVEA versus  local                                                               
self generation, it sees some  significant benefits in purchasing                                                               
power off  the Railbelt  grid.  He  opined that  purchasing power                                                               
from  the  Railbelt  grid will  have  better  reliability,  offer                                                               
source diversity with coal, gas,  hydro, and wind that would help                                                               
stabilize  supply  and price  issues.    If additional  installed                                                               
capacity is required to support  Livengood and it becomes part of                                                               
the Railbelt  grid, then  the infrastructure  will be  present to                                                               
serve  all  of  Alaska  at  the  end  of  the  mine  life.    The                                                               
aforementioned is a significant advantage.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:42:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN,  referring to slides 10-11,  informed the committee                                                               
that state  efforts can make a  difference in this project.   For                                                               
instance,  if  power  is  purchased  from  the  grid,  a  50-mile                                                               
transmission line will need to  be built.  This transmission line                                                               
would  be similar  to  what  was constructed  for  Pogo, but  the                                                               
alignments would  be parallel to the  potential gasline alignment                                                               
and  the  existing  TAPS  alignment.    A  lot  of  environmental                                                               
baseline   studies  have   already  been   completed  along   the                                                               
Fairbanks-Livengood  utility corridor.    Therefore, making  that                                                               
information available  would be  efficient in  terms of  time and                                                               
resources.   He  noted that  it would  also be  helpful [for  the                                                               
state] to support efforts that would  lower the cost of energy on                                                               
the  Railbelt,   including  utility   consolidation.     He  then                                                               
encouraged long-term  planning for  low cost  power on  the grid.                                                               
Mr.  Hanneman related  that efforts  to commercialize  gas are  a                                                               
large factor  [in this project].   If lower cost energy  could be                                                               
brought to Fairbanks and placed  into the power generation system                                                               
there, [this project] as well  as all of Fairbanks would benefit.                                                               
In fact,  if the  system were large  enough, the  entire Railbelt                                                               
could benefit.   Therefore, various efforts  to commercialize the                                                               
gas are  being reviewed.   In  fact, one such  effort is  a small                                                               
bore  line that  would parallel  TAPS  to which  the state  could                                                               
contribute.   He  suggested support  of efforts  to produce  low-                                                               
sulfur diesel in  Alaska for Alaska's own  resources because low-                                                               
sulfur diesel  requirements will likely  be in place by  the time                                                               
this mine is in production.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:45:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON  asked if  this  project  is meeting  any                                                               
obstacles from the state.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HANNEMAN replied  no, but  noted that  the process  has only                                                               
just begun.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON  suggested  that  perhaps  the  committee                                                               
could  assist  with  any  obstacles that  arise  in  the  future,                                                               
particularly  because  there's  no  need  to  duplicate  existing                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:46:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON, referring to slide  8, inquired as to what                                                               
the determiner is  for which kind of conceptual  mine, heap leach                                                               
only or a large mill and heap leach, would result.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN answered that the Money  Knob Gold Project is in the                                                               
very  early  stages.   In  fact,  it's  a  situation in  which  a                                                               
substantive   gold  resource   has  been   identified,  but   the                                                               
engineering, including  the preliminary engineering,  which would                                                               
result in  a recommendation  of the type  of project  to propose,                                                               
has yet  to be  done.  The  pre-feasibility work  will accomplish                                                               
the  aforementioned as  it will  engage a  number of  experts and                                                               
engineers  to  perform  the  engineering.   At  this  point,  the                                                               
project  depends upon  economics,  gold  recovery, gold  recovery                                                               
projections, cost estimates, and environmental factors.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  clarified that  he's trying  to understand                                                               
the difference in the two  approaches: the heap leach only versus                                                               
a large mill and heap leach mine.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HANNEMAN informed  the  committee that  the  Fort Knox  Mine                                                               
recently permitted and  constructed a heap leach  adjacent to its                                                               
large mill  operation.  On that  heap leach, run of  mine ore was                                                               
placed rather than  crushing it.  Therefore, there's  not a large                                                               
energy requirement  to grind  rocks, which  significantly reduces                                                               
the  power requirement  associated with  a heap  leach.   At this                                                               
point, Mr.  Hanneman said  that Talon  Gold Alaska,  Inc. doesn't                                                               
know if  its ore is  amenable to  such large scale  heap leaching                                                               
without being  crushed.   The aforementioned  would significantly                                                               
impact the power requirements.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:50:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON, referring  to slide 9, inquired  as to the                                                               
anticipated life of the mine.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HANNEMAN noted  that Talon  Gold  Alaska, Inc.  put forth  a                                                               
preliminary economic assessment in August, which estimated a 21-                                                                
year mine life.   However, there will be review  of ways in which                                                               
to  shorten that  mine life  in order  to accelerate  production,                                                               
particularly  since the  company  believes the  resource has  the                                                               
potential to grow.   Therefore, the mine life of  Money Knob Gold                                                               
Project is very  uncertain.  He informed the  committee that GVEA                                                               
has the  capacity to install  an additional turbine at  its North                                                               
Pole  facility.   If  that additional  turbine  was installed  to                                                               
service the Livengood load, the  mine would certainly have a life                                                               
of more  than 20 years.   Furthermore,  after the mine  life, the                                                               
additional  turbine would  be available  to serve  other Railbelt                                                               
users.   Mr. Hanneman  opined that there's  benefit, in  terms of                                                               
reliability, from being connected  to the Railbelt and ultimately                                                               
to  utilize that  infrastructure to  provide power  to others  as                                                               
opposed  to a  stand-alone gas-fired  turbine at  Livengood.   He                                                               
related that  although Talon  Gold Alaska,  Inc. would  like low-                                                               
cost gas to  be in the Interior,  it may be best  suited to where                                                               
it's connected to everyone else.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:52:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN asked  if  any other  minerals or  micro                                                               
minerals  other than  gold  that might  be  marketable have  been                                                               
identified.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN responded no, adding  that Money Knob is primarily a                                                               
gold deposit.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MILLETT then  announced that  the committee  would turn                                                               
its attention to the Chuitna Coal Project.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:54:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DAN   GRAHAM,  PE,   Project  Manager,   Chuitna  Coal   Project,                                                               
acknowledged  the   public  opinion   of  coal,   global  warming                                                               
discussions,  and state  and national  policies related  to coal.                                                               
Although  coal   projects  aren't   prevalent,  the   U.S.  still                                                               
generates  just  under  50  percent   of  its  power  from  coal.                                                               
Therefore,  the question  is  why  even consider  coal  now.   He                                                               
pointed  out  that  LNG  and  crude  oil  prices  have  increased                                                               
significantly in  the past few years.   The result has  been that                                                               
Pacific Rim  countries seeking to  expand their  economies, which                                                               
means   increased  power   demands,  turn   to  coal   for  power                                                               
generation.     He   related  that   current  export   demand  is                                                               
anticipated to  increase roughly 120  million tons over  the next                                                               
five years,  at a  minimum.   Between the  Railbelt and  the Cook                                                               
Inlet region, there is [in excess]  of 2 billion tons of reserves                                                               
of  sub-bituminous coal,  which is  a low-sulfur  product.   This                                                               
sub-bituminous coal is finding a place  in the export market.  He                                                               
noted  that Usibelli  Mine has  reached record  years in  exports                                                               
over the last couple of years.   "The demand now is stronger than                                                               
it has  been," he remarked.   Mr. Graham opined that  the Chuitna                                                               
Coal Project is  a worthy project as it's a  great opportunity to                                                               
monetize the resource and create  jobs and business opportunities                                                               
in the state while protecting the environment.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:56:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM informed  the committee that the  Chuitna Coal Project                                                               
is located  on the west  side of the  Cook Inlet, about  14 miles                                                               
from the village of Tyonek and  45 miles west of Anchorage.  It's                                                               
a proposed  export coal project.   The proposal currently  in the                                                               
permitting process  is a 300  million ton reserve with  a 25-year                                                               
design life.   He noted that since the  workforce isn't available                                                               
on site,  a camp facility  will be constructed for  mine workers.                                                               
A port  facility will also  have to be constructed  for exporting                                                               
the product and  receiving goods at the mine.   He explained that                                                               
the port facility  is proposed in the Kenai  Peninsula Borough on                                                               
the edge of Cook  Inlet at which there will be  a coal stock pile                                                               
and the  facilities for  offshore unloading  of deep  draft ocean                                                               
bound ships.   There  will also be  an over-land  conveyor, which                                                               
will be at least  20 feet above the ground in  order to avoid any                                                               
barriers to  wildlife or  those who  recreate in  the area.   The                                                               
existing  road system  will  be  used to  a  point  at which  the                                                               
remainder of  the distance to  the mine  will be a  private road.                                                               
He noted that it's about six  miles of existing road that will be                                                               
upgraded for use and  five to six miles of new  road to reach the                                                               
mine.   He related that the  Chuitna Coal Mine is  a conventional                                                               
service mine operation  with contemporaneous reclamation, similar                                                               
to the operations in Healy.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM  then turned to the  power demand of the  Chuitna Coal                                                               
Project.   Initially, the  mine area will  have a  low electrical                                                               
demand as  most of the  rolling stock is  diesel-fired equipment.                                                               
When a  drag line is  added, the  electrical demand will  grow to                                                               
about 7-8 megawatts  at the mine area.  The  mine facilities, the                                                               
shop and a facility to crush  the coal for shipment, will require                                                               
a  little over  2 megawatts  of power.   The  aforementioned camp                                                               
facility will  require just over 1  megawatt of power.   He noted                                                               
that  the aforementioned  power demands  are peak  demands.   The                                                               
conveyor itself  has a 1.5  megawatt peak demand, which  is about                                                               
one-fifth  of  what  a conventional  conveyor  would  require  to                                                               
transport  the same  material the  same  distance.   At the  port                                                               
site, about 4-4.5  megawatts of power will be  required to handle                                                               
the stock pile,  run the warehouse, and operate  the ship loader.                                                               
Therefore,   total   electrical   demand   during   the   initial                                                               
construction  and first  few years  of mining  would be  about 10                                                               
megawatts, which  increases to 17-20  megawatts once a  drag line                                                               
is  added.   The aforementioned  power  would be  received on  an                                                               
existing 24.9  kV line that passes  through the port site  and is                                                               
operated  by Chugach  Electric Association.   That  line will  be                                                               
used  for  construction  power  and the  temporary  camp  at  the                                                               
beginning  of  the  operation.     At  the  mine  site,  portable                                                               
generators will  be installed for  the construction phase  of the                                                               
project.   Once  construction nears  completion, permanent  power                                                               
will be supplied by a new six  mile long 138 kV line from Chugach                                                               
Electric  Association's  Beluga Power  Station.    When the  line                                                               
reaches the  existing port site,  Chugach has requested  that the                                                               
mine's  line  be tied  into  the  existing  24.9  kV line.    The                                                               
aforementioned creates a loop in  the system, which will increase                                                               
the reliability of the system.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:01:41 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM  then turned to  Chuitna's schedule.  He  informed the                                                               
committee  that  the  updated Supplemental  Environmental  Impact                                                               
Statement  (SEIS)  documents have  been  submitted.   He  further                                                               
informed  the committee  that Chuitna's  working  on the  surface                                                               
mine coal  applications to  reflect recent  design changes.   The                                                               
next step  will to go through  the entire SEIS process  as permit                                                               
applications  are submitted.    Chuitna  then anticipates  permit                                                               
decisions  to be  rendered  in the  next 18  months  to 2  years.                                                               
Depending upon  the permit decisions  and the  market conditions,                                                               
Chuitna will  be prepared  to make a  construction decision.   In                                                               
response  to  Co-Chair  Millet, Mr.  Graham  confirmed  that  the                                                               
construction decision will be made in 2012 or 2013.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MILLETT  announced that the committee  would now receive                                                               
a presentation regarding the Wishbone Hill Project.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
12:03:33 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LORALI  CARTER, External  Affairs  Manager,  Wishbone Hill  Mine,                                                               
Usibelli Coal Mine,  Inc., began by informing  the committee that                                                               
the Usibelli  Coal Mine  (Usibelli) has  been operating  in Healy                                                               
for nearly 70  years.  In fact, the headquarters  of the mine are                                                               
located  about 10  miles  north  of the  entrance  to the  Denali                                                               
National Park.   Due to  the increase  in the export  market this                                                               
year, the mine will likely reach  about 2 million tons of export.                                                               
Usibelli serves  the following 6  customers in Alaska:   the Fort                                                               
Wainwright  Army  Base,  Eielson Airforce  Base,  Clear  Airforce                                                               
Station,  and the  University of  Alaska  Fairbanks.   Usibelli's                                                               
export customers  are located in  Japan, Chile, and  South Korea.                                                               
Ms. Carter then turned to  coal, informing the committee that the                                                               
U.S. has 27  percent of the world's coal reserves  and Alaska has                                                               
50 percent  of the  U.S. coal reserves.   Given  Alaska's current                                                               
electric consumption,  Alaska has  about 1,000 years  of reserves                                                               
if coal  were used to  generate electricity.  She  emphasized the                                                               
importance of  remembering Alaska's  great [coal] resource.   She                                                               
then directed attention  to a slide that  illustrates that Alaska                                                               
is  a  coal  state.   In  fact,  about  9  percent of  Alaska  is                                                               
underlain by  coal.  Since World  War I over 30  million tons [of                                                               
coal]  has been  mined from  the  Healy Creek  and Hosanna  Creek                                                               
fields.  She reiterated that  Usibelli is the only operating coal                                                               
mine in  Alaska.   She then  pointed out  a graph  entitled "Coal                                                               
Effect  on   Electricity  Rates  by  State,"   which  illustrates                                                               
electricity  rates  based   on  the  use  of   coal  to  generate                                                               
electricity.    The  graph  relates nearly  100  percent  of  the                                                               
electric generation in  Wyoming uses coal while  Alaska uses only                                                               
10  percent of  its  coal  for electric  generation.   The  graph                                                               
further relates  that the price  of electricity increases  as the                                                               
use of coal decreases.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:06:06 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARTER focused  on Wishbone  Hill, which  has a  long mining                                                               
history.   About  7 million  tons  were mined  from 18  different                                                               
mines  from 1916-1982.   In  1983 exploration  drilling began  at                                                               
Wishbone Hill  and by  1992 all  of the permits  for it  had been                                                               
obtained.     Although  Wishbone   Hill  Mine  is   considered  a                                                               
relatively  small  deposit  with   14  million  tons  of  surface                                                               
mineable  coal  identified,  particularly when  compared  to  the                                                               
Healy mine  that has  over 500 million  tons of  surface mineable                                                               
coal.   However, Wishbone  Hill is valuable  since it's  the only                                                               
bituminous coal deposit  on the road system.  She  then shared an                                                               
aerial  photo of  the Wishbone  Hill Mine,  pointing out  various                                                               
aspects of  it.  Currently,  the Usibelli  Coal Mine, Inc.  is in                                                               
the middle of  a feasibility study on the  Wishbone Hill project,                                                               
which  is estimated  to take  a year.   The  hope is  to make  an                                                               
announcement  by next  summer regarding  whether or  not Usibelli                                                               
Coal  Mine,  Inc.  will  move  forward  with  development.    The                                                               
feasibility study is  based on 6 million tons  of total reserves,                                                               
which  would amount  to  about 500,000  tons  [of coal]  produced                                                               
annually  for about  12 years.   She  noted that  this summer  an                                                               
exploration program  was completed.   The  core and  bulk samples                                                               
have  been  sent  to  an  out-of-state  laboratory  for  testing.                                                               
Additionally, the  feasibility study will  analyze transportation                                                               
options, update permits, and further review engineering.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:08:23 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARTER  then addressed  the  question  of  how the  coal  is                                                               
transported to market.   The three transportation  options are to                                                               
truck the  coal from the mine  site to Port MacKenzie;  truck the                                                               
coal  to a  point on  the  railroad at  which point  it would  be                                                               
railed to the  Seward port; or have a rail  extension to the mine                                                               
site.   She then informed  the committee  that the mine  in Healy                                                               
employs  125-130  employees;  therefore,  the  estimate  for  the                                                               
Wishbone Hill Mine  is 75-125 full-time positions.   She referred                                                               
to the  Wishbone Hill Mine jobs  as stable jobs where  people can                                                               
live  and work  in their  hometowns.   She highlighted  that this                                                               
would be money  that stays in Alaska's economy.   Ms. Carter then                                                               
turned to  the energy needs  of Wishbone Hill,  which anticipates                                                               
using 600 kilowatts  per hour to one megawatt of  energy.  As has                                                               
been related  relative to other  mines, getting energy to  a mine                                                               
location is  quite an  undertaking.   However, the  Wishbone Hill                                                               
project is on the road system  and close to the grid.  Therefore,                                                               
the options would  be a new line from the  nearby existing three-                                                               
phase line or  insertion of a transformer at the  existing 120 kV                                                               
line.   She then shared  a slide  that illustrated the  layout of                                                               
the  option  of running  a  three-and-a-half  mile line  off  the                                                               
existing  three-phase  line  to  the  mine  area  where  a  small                                                               
transformer would  be installed to  help step-down the  power for                                                               
the mine facilities.  She highlighted  the location of the 120 kV                                                               
line that runs power between Palmer  and Sutton.  Ms. Carter then                                                               
directed the committee's attention  to the slide illustrating the                                                               
option in  which a  large transformer would  be installed  on the                                                               
120 kV line  to step-down the power  to 12 kV to run  to the mine                                                               
site to power the facilities.   She noted that the aforementioned                                                               
would require the use of a smaller transformer.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:12:48 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  EDGMON inquired  as  to the  role  the mining  industry                                                               
would play in terms of building a gasline.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SHAW  said that is  difficult to  answer because a  number of                                                               
competing projects  are being discussed.   As  mentioned earlier,                                                               
those in the mining industry are  willing to purchase gas if it's                                                               
available.  Furthermore, the  mining  projects are  on their  own                                                               
timeline  and  can't  wait  for  another  project,  the  proposed                                                               
gasline, which may or may not  be built.  Ms. Shaw indicated that                                                               
the more  detail the mining  industry has regarding  the proposed                                                               
gasline, the more the mining industry can commit.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR EDGMON recalled hearing that  a large number of acres of                                                               
land are available  to mining.  He then asked  if there is enough                                                               
demand for the  mining industry such that it  could be considered                                                               
an industrial anchor tenant of an in-state gasline.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. SHAW  answered that she  believes the potential  is certainly                                                               
there  as there  are  a  lot of  minerals  throughout the  state.                                                               
Demand  for  minerals is  increasing  and  it  would be  nice  to                                                               
produce those minerals  in the U.S., she remarked.   However, one                                                               
of the  top three  barriers to  mining in Alaska  is the  cost of                                                               
energy.   If the fuel  and power  costs could be  reduced, Alaska                                                               
would be far more attractive to the mining industry, she opined.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:16:33 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MILLETT inquired  as to  how competitive  Alaska is  in                                                               
terms of mining as compared to other states.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SHAW   responded  that  it   depends  on  which   study  one                                                               
references.   She  recalled a  business league  study that  rated                                                               
Alaska last.   Some of the  issues surround energy costs  and tax                                                               
questions.  However, Alaska offers  stability and the opportunity                                                               
to develop  on state,  private, and  Native lands.   Furthermore,                                                               
Alaska  has a  stable permitting  system.   Ms. Shaw  pointed out                                                               
that currently  many eyes are  on the mining industry  in Alaska.                                                               
She noted  that whatever happens  with the [mining]  projects and                                                               
work in play  now will influence the view of  the mining industry                                                               
in  terms of  doing business  in Alaska.   She  acknowledged that                                                               
there  is a  lot  of opposition  to some  of  the current  mining                                                               
projects.  When  projects are stopped prior to  even starting the                                                               
process, it  sends a  strong message that  Alaska isn't  open for                                                               
business.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:18:27 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special Committee on Energy meeting was adjourned at 12:18 p.m.